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Re: Dash vs. Streamlit for GUI Development for a Data Science Project!

by Khalid K

Hey Patrick, Thank you for sharing this information about Streamlit and its approach to accessibility. It’s helpful to see that they have some considerations in place, but it’s a bit concerning that there hasn’t been a response from the Streamlit team since June 2021 on this topic. I’ll explore different options for the GUI in this project. If I decide to try Streamlit, I’ll make sure to share my experience with the group. A friend of mine, who is good at CSS, mentioned that he will use Flask for the GUI. This might be a faster and easier option to implement while meeting the requirement! Congratulations on the new job! Kind regards, Khalid From: Patrick Smyth <patrick(a)iotaschool.com> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2024 4:21 PM To: datascience(a)blindcoders.com Subject: [data-science]Re: Dash vs. Streamlit for GUI Development for a Data Science Project! Hey Khalid, I'd try looking at Streamlet, I found this comment that suggests they do actually think about accessibility: ``` Thanks for the question. We haven’t done an official accessibility assessment. That said, we write our frontend code with accessibility in mind, using a widget component library 31 that is accessible, looking at contrast ratios when designing, etc. But we’re aware this is by all means not enough! That’s why we have a roadmap item to officially assess accessibility and address issues that arise. It’s important to note we don’t control user themes, plotting libraries, and custom components, and a lot of the accessibility of actual apps will fall on users who are writing these apps. --- That's from here: https://discuss.streamlit.io/t/508-compliance-for-streamlit/13579/2 Khalid, I owe you an email, apologies. A new job and baby mean I'm a little underwater. Patrick -- Patrick Smyth, PhD Chief Learner Iota School<https://iotaschool.com/> GitHub<https://github.com/smythp> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/psmyth01> | LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/in/smythp> [https://iotaschool.com/static/images/iota_signature.png] On Wed, May 22, 2024, at 2:16 AM, Khalid K wrote: Marvin , you can: pip install streamlit Or if you're using Anaconda, you can try: conda install -c conda-forge streamlit The same can be done with Dash. Cheers, K From: hunkinmarvin5(a)gmail.com<mailto:hunkinmarvin5@gmail.com> <hunkinmarvin5(a)gmail.com<mailto:hunkinmarvin5@gmail.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 7:05 AM To: 'Khalid K' <kaak42(a)outlook.com<mailto:kaak42@outlook.com>> Subject: RE: [data-science]Dash vs. Streamlit for GUI Development for a Data Science Project! Hi using jaws 2024. Using visual studio code, python 3.12 and github latest desktop version. Have not used Streamlit. And so a tutorial how to use this would be great and maybe a sampleproject. So then I could then see how accessible it is with a screen reader. So where do I download this and is it a pip install like on the terminal or is it a msi or exe file for windows 11. Have windows 11 pro 64 bit on a hp pavilion 15.6 inch laptop. Running jaws 2024, nvda 2024.1. Marvin from Adelaide, Australia.. From: Khalid K <kaak42(a)outlook.com<mailto:kaak42@outlook.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 3:29 PM To: datascience(a)blindcoders.com<mailto:datascience@blindcoders.com> Subject: [data-science]Dash vs. Streamlit for GUI Development for a Data Science Project! Hi data scientists, I hope this message finds you well. I want to gather some insights on using Dash or Streamlit for GUI development. Specifically, I’m interested in the following: 1. Ease of Use with Screen Readers: Has anyone used Dash or Streamlit with a screen reader? Which one is more accessible and user-friendly? 2. Learning Curve: Which tool requires less time to learn and implement effectively? I have a few sighted friends who speak highly of Streamlit, mentioning its simplicity and ease of deployment –they don’t use screen-readers though! My goal is to develop a GUI interface that can: Generate graphs Allow selection from a list of cryptocurrencies Provide scenarios like predicting next month’s prices if I sell Load results and graphs quickly upon selection Your experiences with either tool would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Khalid _______________________________________________ Data Science mailing list -- datascience(a)blindcoders.com<mailto:datascience@blindcoders.com> To unsubscribe send an email to datascience-leave(a)blindcoders.com<mailto:datascience-leave@blindcoders.com>

May 28, 2024

Re: Dash vs. Streamlit for GUI Development for a Data Science Project!

by Patrick Smyth

Hey Khalid, I'd try looking at Streamlet, I found this comment that suggests they do actually think about accessibility: ``` Thanks for the question. We haven’t done an official accessibility assessment. That said, we write our frontend code with accessibility in mind, using a widget component library 31 that is accessible, looking at contrast ratios when designing, etc. But we’re aware this is by all means not enough! That’s why we have a roadmap item to officially assess accessibility and address issues that arise. It’s important to note we don’t control user themes, plotting libraries, and custom components, and a lot of the accessibility of actual apps will fall on users who are writing these apps. --- That's from here: https://discuss.streamlit.io/t/508-compliance-for-streamlit/13579/2 Khalid, I owe you an email, apologies. A new job and baby mean I'm a little underwater. Patrick -- Patrick Smyth, PhD Chief Learner Iota School <https://iotaschool.com/> GitHub <https://github.com/smythp> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/psmyth01> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/smythp> On Wed, May 22, 2024, at 2:16 AM, Khalid K wrote: > Marvin , you can: > > pip install streamlit > > Or if you're using Anaconda, you can try: > > conda install -c conda-forge streamlit > > The same can be done with Dash. > > Cheers, > K > > *From:* hunkinmarvin5(a)gmail.com <hunkinmarvin5(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2024 7:05 AM > *To:* 'Khalid K' <kaak42(a)outlook.com> > *Subject:* RE: [data-science]Dash vs. Streamlit for GUI Development for a Data Science Project! > > Hi using jaws 2024. Using visual studio code, python 3.12 and github latest desktop version. Have not used Streamlit. And so a tutorial how to use this would be great and maybe a sampleproject. So then I could then see how accessible it is with a screen reader. So where do I download this and is it a pip install like on the terminal or is it a msi or exe file for windows 11. Have windows 11 pro 64 bit on a hp pavilion 15.6 inch laptop. > Running jaws 2024, nvda 2024.1. > Marvin from Adelaide, Australia.. > > *From:* Khalid K <kaak42(a)outlook.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2024 3:29 PM > *To:* datascience(a)blindcoders.com > *Subject:* [data-science]Dash vs. Streamlit for GUI Development for a Data Science Project! > > Hi data scientists, > > I hope this message finds you well. I want to gather some insights on using Dash or Streamlit for GUI development. Specifically, I’m interested in the following: > > 1. Ease of Use with Screen Readers: Has anyone used Dash or Streamlit with a screen reader? Which one is more accessible and user-friendly? > 2. Learning Curve: Which tool requires less time to learn and implement effectively? > > I have a few sighted friends who speak highly of Streamlit, mentioning its simplicity and ease of deployment –they don’t use screen-readers though! My goal is to develop a GUI interface that can: > > Generate graphs > Allow selection from a list of cryptocurrencies > Provide scenarios like predicting next month’s prices if I sell > Load results and graphs quickly upon selection > > Your experiences with either tool would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > Khalid > _______________________________________________ > Data Science mailing list -- datascience(a)blindcoders.com > To unsubscribe send an email to datascience-leave(a)blindcoders.com >

May 25, 2024

Re: Dash vs. Streamlit for GUI Development for a Data Science Project!

by Khalid K

Marvin , you can: pip install streamlit Or if you're using Anaconda, you can try: conda install -c conda-forge streamlit The same can be done with Dash. Cheers, K From: hunkinmarvin5(a)gmail.com <hunkinmarvin5(a)gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 7:05 AM To: 'Khalid K' <kaak42(a)outlook.com> Subject: RE: [data-science]Dash vs. Streamlit for GUI Development for a Data Science Project! Hi using jaws 2024. Using visual studio code, python 3.12 and github latest desktop version. Have not used Streamlit. And so a tutorial how to use this would be great and maybe a sampleproject. So then I could then see how accessible it is with a screen reader. So where do I download this and is it a pip install like on the terminal or is it a msi or exe file for windows 11. Have windows 11 pro 64 bit on a hp pavilion 15.6 inch laptop. Running jaws 2024, nvda 2024.1. Marvin from Adelaide, Australia.. From: Khalid K <kaak42(a)outlook.com<mailto:kaak42@outlook.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 3:29 PM To: datascience(a)blindcoders.com<mailto:datascience@blindcoders.com> Subject: [data-science]Dash vs. Streamlit for GUI Development for a Data Science Project! Hi data scientists, I hope this message finds you well. I want to gather some insights on using Dash or Streamlit for GUI development. Specifically, I'm interested in the following: 1. Ease of Use with Screen Readers: Has anyone used Dash or Streamlit with a screen reader? Which one is more accessible and user-friendly? 2. Learning Curve: Which tool requires less time to learn and implement effectively? I have a few sighted friends who speak highly of Streamlit, mentioning its simplicity and ease of deployment -they don't use screen-readers though! My goal is to develop a GUI interface that can: Generate graphs Allow selection from a list of cryptocurrencies Provide scenarios like predicting next month's prices if I sell Load results and graphs quickly upon selection Your experiences with either tool would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Khalid

May 22, 2024

Dash vs. Streamlit for GUI Development for a Data Science Project!

by Khalid K

Hi data scientists, I hope this message finds you well. I want to gather some insights on using Dash or Streamlit for GUI development. Specifically, I'm interested in the following: 1. Ease of Use with Screen Readers: Has anyone used Dash or Streamlit with a screen reader? Which one is more accessible and user-friendly? 2. Learning Curve: Which tool requires less time to learn and implement effectively? I have a few sighted friends who speak highly of Streamlit, mentioning its simplicity and ease of deployment -they don't use screen-readers though! My goal is to develop a GUI interface that can: Generate graphs Allow selection from a list of cryptocurrencies Provide scenarios like predicting next month's prices if I sell Load results and graphs quickly upon selection Your experiences with either tool would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Khalid

May 22, 2024

Re: Notebooks for all May meeting 5/16 @ 9am PST

by Tony Fast

hey y'all. i wanted to share the video recording of our may notebooks for all meeting. <https://youtu.be/3pag8E8EuMg> we covered a bunch of topics about data science, software development, assistive technology, and accessibility. thank you to everyone that joined and participated. i'll post about future events and hope some of y'all might enjoy joining to share your experience and learn from others.

May 22, 2024

Re: Notebooks for all May meeting 5/16 @ 9am PST

by Tony Fast

thanks for the support patrick! we'll be meeting in 2 hours to hear about blind coding experiences; the good, the bad, and the ugly. hope to see some of y'all on the zoom call <https://zoom.us/j/91857677315?pwd=Yzh5b1U5MUsraUhVM3NuajNoSVRldz09#success>. best, tony.

May 16, 2024

Re: Notebooks for all May meeting 5/16 @ 9am PST

by Patrick Smyth

Hey folks, I won't be able to make it this Thursday, but Tony is doing some great work on accessible interfaces to Jupyter notebooks, consider dropping by if you're free at that time. Hope everyone is well. Best, Patrick

May 15, 2024

Notebooks for all May meeting 5/16 @ 9am PST

by Tony Fast

hey blind coders, join us this thursday at 9am pst to discuss accessible coding experiences at the notebooks for all community meeting. our plan for this meeting is to hear about your access experiences and tricks to participating in data science and programming. we want to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly. you can read a full agenda on the notebooks for all github discussions <https://github.com/Iota-School/notebooks-for-all/discussions/109>. please respond there or this mailing if you have any questions or special access needs. feel free to invite your friends, allies, and accomplices. *apologies for the last minute notice.* a special thanks to the iota school <https://iota-school.github.io/> for providing resources to host this event. best, tonyfast <https://github.com/tonyfast> -- Tony Fast Github <http://github.com/tonyfast> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonyfast/> | Homepage <http://tonyfast.github.io>

May 14, 2024